Product Reviews


Over the summer, S discovered a new type of pant called “firehose pants.”  They are sold by Duluth Trading Company.  Apparently they are made of the same material as fire hoses, supposed to be very rugged, and offer a guarantee that they won’t rip or tear.  S was in love with the concept and begged for a pair for his birthday back in September.  I obliged.  They seemed like fairly normal, if slightly thicker material, cargo pants.  Until last week.

S needed to cut down a tree and then cut it into a bunch of logs to stack it.  He was wearing his firehose work pants.  In addition, he was also wearing his Stihl chainsaw safety chaps, helmet, and gloves.

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About half-way through the cutting, he took a bit of break to help the kids stack some of the wood, and while doing so, he took off his chaps because they were in the way.  After stacking, he returned to cutting, but totally forgot to put his chaps back on.  Not long after, a branch snapped back at him, flinging the running chainsaw right into his lower thigh.  Have you ever experienced a situation where time slows down?  He said it was like that.  He felt his pants get caught up in the chain, tug tight, and the blade came to a complete stop.  He was scared to look down, fearing he would find his leg half cut off.  He finally did, and found this:

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Now he has a really good, quite powerful chainsaw–a Stihl MS 311 to be exact.  We’re talking serious cutting power, like a hot knife through butter.  He had just had it snap back onto his totally unprotected (or so he thought) thigh.  Yet, he was completely unscathed.

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We are both amazed.  And thankful as can be.  This could have been a serious accident, yet, thanks first to God’s divine provision, and second, to a really awesome pair of work pants, he was completely unharmed.  S has written the company to tell them about this incident.  However, if you are in need of a good pair of work pants, while they aren’t guaranteed as chainsaw-proof pants, we highly recommend them as some seriously heavy-duty pants!

 

 

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In a large family like ours, we have a lot of trash.  Most folks are surprised at the fact that we don’t have that much that goes into a “trash” bag, headed for the landfill, however, what we do have a lot of is the different TYPES of trash.  To avoid filling up landfills–all part of our belief in being stewards of our land–we try to send as little waste as possible to the dump.  Thus, we recycle whatever we can.  Over the years, we have a found a balance by sorting our trash into about 4 different piles: recycle (we can mix all our glass, plastic, cardboard, aluminum, etc. into one bin), paper for recycling or scrap use, paper with personal info for burning, and actual trash (anything that doesn’t fit into the other categories).  Our collection area is our pantry, which is not very large–equivalent to a standard bedroom closet.  With the kiddos “help,” I was finding the floor of my pantry constantly covered in trash due to an inefficient system of grocery sacks hanging on hooks that either dumped or from the kids getting confused which bag was for which trash, or whatever the reason.  I went searching for a better option.  I needed something that would fit into a tiny space, had 4 bins, and was simple and efficient.  I think I’ve found the answer!

Rubbermaid’s 2-in-1 Recycler.  rubbermaid

It’s quite a handy little sorter, actually, and very practical.  First, I took the 4 bins and put photos on each so even the littlest children knew what type of waste went in which bin.

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Since the top two are just papers, I don’t worry about a bag.  If the scrap paper bin gets full, the handy handle allows it to simply be carried to the burn pile or the recycle bin outside.  Likewise, the handle on the other  “burn” paper bin allows the personal papers to be hauled to the fire pit.  The entire paper container simply lifts off the trash bin below it.  Of course, the fact that the bin just nests onto the lower bin means it would knock off pretty easily if bumped, but situated in a closet like ours, out of the way of traffic, it shouldn’t be getting bumped hard regularly.

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I do put a bag in the bottom bins for recycle and trash, which can be wet or messy.  It holds a standard 12-18 gallon bag.  When full, this bin simply slides forward, out of the 3-sided backing section of the contraption.  You don’t even have to lift the top bin off.  The rest of the time, a gentle pull on the handle or step on the foot ledge tips the trash bin forward to deposit trash into it.

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I’m loving these new bins.  They seem to be perfectly suited to our needs.  Although they don’t hold a whole lot, who really wants trash sitting around their house for several days anyway?  The trash and recycle bins will easily fit our entire household trash for a day or two, and the small size makes it very simple for the child responsible for trash duty.  So far, I highly recommend them!

Have you ever been doing your thing, whatever that happens to be at the time, and just received encouragement in some unexpected way?  I love it when that happens, and, for me at least, it often seems to happen when I don’t even know I need encouragement.  Yet, I feel my spirit lift anyway.

Today, it happened twice.  First, the kiddos and I went to a restaurant after church.  When I went to pay, the manager walked over and handed me $20–enough to pay for the majority of our bill.  He explained another customer had just given it to him, and asked him to deliver the message, “Thank you for having such well-behaved children.  We just wanted to help with your lunch today.”  Funny thing is, that’s the second time it’s happened in the same restaurant.  The customers, I’ve noticed, are mostly elderly folks, so I can only assume they have a greater appreciation for manners and respect than today’s generation.

As if that wasn’t encouraging enough, I got home, and decided to add a light bar to JR’s new desk.  I had purchased this LED light bar off the internet, based on some good reviews.  I got the box all opened up, was trying to figure it out, and as I looked on the box for directions, I saw this:

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In case you can’t read it, the side of the box says, “You are my lamp, O Lord; the Lord turns my darkness into light.” – 2 Samuel 22:29

Two simple choices by 2 different people, but both were such an encouragement to me today, and because of such a simple gesture (and the fact the lights work great!), I will absolutely be buying more to support this company, which by the way is called, “Lightkiwi.”

I guess it’s about time to wrap up this series.  I wanted to mention a few additional things we learned along our journey, though…

First, about those comfort features…As I mentioned in the previous posts, as a “general” rule, a work truck is a basic model pick-up that is manufactured for hard work.  It is usually missing the common luxuries of modern day “status-symbol” trucks, though some features are found on both.  Typically, a work truck is a regular cab, because it was originally intended for farmers and ranchers who usually work alone.  Often times, there are no extra power features (like windows and seat adjustments) and no fancy navigation or stereo systems.  It is typically comprised of just a simple fabric or vinyl bench seat, and usually it doesn’t even have carpet, due to the idea that you might be dirty when you climb into the front seat.  Some manufacturers take it a step further and make all controls user-friendly to someone wearing work gloves.

On the other hand, if the basic, more primitive, work truck isn’t really your style, you can easily get a truck with the same power and capabilities, but more comfort features.  You can upgrade to a sound system, navigation system, leather seats, seat warmers, you name it!  If you’ve seen it in a car, it probably exists in a truck.  Of course, you are going to pay for those features. You could easily pay up to $20,000 more for the luxury and comfort features, when in fact the truck’s capability does not increase at all.  So, you really need to think.  Do you really want comfort features, and if so, which ones?  How much are you willing to pay for those?

In addition, it seems, at least in this area, the 4-door “Crew Cab” style truck is the most popular.  It is worth noting, however, that comfy and cushy as they may be, that extra, full-size rear seating space not only increases the price by about $10,000, but also decreases the payload of the truck by up to 1500 lbs!  That’s huge.  An “extended cab” style truck where there is a small rear seat–usually bench style–and may or may not have “suicide doors” that swing to the rear, is priced more reasonably, but can still decrease payload by around 1,000 lbs.

Secondly, those airbags I mentioned earlier that go above the rear leaf springs are worth having if you have the option.  They really do help protect the trucks suspension and keep the whole ride smoother when towing a heavy load.  What they do NOT do, despite the common misconception we encountered, is increase the payload capacity.  The payload has NOTHING to do with those airbags, despite what an “expert” dealer may tell you.  Remember, when the engine blows, the dealer’s service department is the one hoping to fix the issue, and not for any cheap price either!

Thirdly, you do not have to use the dealerships mechanics to have issues repaired.  By going to smaller, private, non-unionized mechanics, you may save hundreds of dollars over the dealer fees.  In addition, many mechanics are even “authorized” by the manufacturer to complete warrantied repairs and fix recall issues.  Just ask them.  Do be cautious using a private mechanic that is not an “authorized” mechanic if your vehicle is still under warranty, or you may risk voiding your warranties.  It all depends on the issue.

Fourth, one thing we discovered a bit too late in the game, was that the curb weight of the vehicle is most likely the weight of the vehicle, with a full tank of gas, and a standard gas engine.  Once you upgrade to a diesel engine, you are likely adding about 800-1200 lbs, which will decrease your payload by that same number.  A different transmission, 4×4 package, brush bars, and fifth-wheel hitches in the bed also decrease that payload because generally the GVWR will be the same (newer models increase the GVWR for diesels, which helps).  So, if you are looking to haul a large gooseneck weight, be sure you know that curb weight and actual payload.  We actually took ours to a scale and discovered the discrepancy.  At least we now know.

Fifthly, some manufacturers actually have a manufacturer “stamp” on each panel of the vehicle, often found by pulling back a loose seal or tread.  We looked at one truck that was supposedly in “perfect” condition, but when our personal auto expert looked at it, it turned out that only one of the front panels had the stamp.  The other 2 panels were missing it, which meant the truck had been in an accident at some point, and those 2 panels had been replaced.  If you can learn the location of those stamps, then you can check for yourself whether the vehicle has had a major issue like that.  There are other ways to tell as well, but that gets into some pretty deep details, so I will let you research that on your own.  Google is a great tool!  Use it!

Sixth, KNOW YOUR TONGUE WEIGHT!  I can’t tell you how many times dealers told me, “Don’t worry, bumper pull tongue weight is 10-15%, while fifth-wheel tongue weight is 15-25%.”  While this is considered an average, it varies greatly.  In fact, when I called the manufacturer of our trailer, it turns out our tongue weight was 26%.  We looked at 2 other trailer manufacturers, and they were both 27%!  In our trailer’s case, this changed our tongue weight by almost 1,000 lbs!

So, there you have it.  I hope this series will make your truck-purchasing journey much easier than ours was, and save you from many confusing claims by giving you a better understanding of how this whole thing works.  Remember, no matter what you are buying, you cannot be too educated.  Only the ignorant get taken complete advantage of, so educate yourself and decrease your chance of being the victim or the recipient of a total lemon!

Once you determine what type of power you need, you will be able to narrow down the type of truck you need.  The intent of this post is to summarize yesterdays, and give you a reference to help you with your decision.  You really want to aim for a truck that will comfortably tow your average with cushion to spare (in case you overload), but is also capable of towing the max weight you can think of.  If you don’t plan to use the max often, then you don’t need much cushion on the high end.  In any case, just how much tow capacity exists depends greatly on the truck itself.

In the last post, I described several types of engines and engine sizes. A few listed included the 6.0L, 6.6L, 7.3L and so on.  The type of engine can easily be figured out simply by looking under the hood.  For the most part, just understand that higher capacity (big “L”), transmission torque, and engine horsepower, USUALLY leads to higher tow capacities.  A fun way to see this in action is to pay a visit to YouTube, and query “Ford or Chevy,” “Chevy or Dodge,” and “Dodge or Chevy.”  While I wouldn’t treat my own truck that way, it is one way to use the ignorance of others to learn (and enjoy the entertainment at the same time!).  While some are more efficient than others (diesel vs. gas), you must do your research on the particular type of engine you are considering–particularly if you buy a used truck.  Certain engines had known problems, and certain ones had specific problems during specific time periods.

Dealers and private owners alike may try to brag about “upgrades” done to a used vehicle, and tout all the benefits of these upgrades.  Be careful.  For example, common diesel upgrades we encountered were a larger air filter, “Edge” devices, or removing the muffler.  This allowed for more horse-power from the engine, and created a little more noise (for those who think that’s “cool”).  What we found out was that trying to alter the power of the motor would, over time, stress the motor beyond its most efficient capability, thereby shortening its life substantially.   My husband specifically looked for unmodified, stock engines.  On the other hand, an upgrade such as airbags on the rear springs can actually improve handling and decrease stress on your suspension.  When used properly, the air bags keep the truck and the load level, and improve the balance of the entire set-up.  They should definitely be considered a plus when towing.  Of course, if you neglect to deflate them when not towing, although it won’t hurt anything, they could cause an awfully rough ride around town!

Whatever truck you decide to buy, new or used, just be sure you investigate the specs of it.  I would recommend you request seeing the specs “in black and white” as opposed to taking someone’s word for it.  I have heard of more people who wound up NOT getting what they really needed because they believed so-and-so “expert” rather than doing the research and saving a lot of time, effort, money, and heartache to begin with.  Throughout our search, we have been quite chagrined to find that the seemingly biggest concerns buyers have are the leather seats, seat warmers, and navigational system in the cab, rather than the actual work the truck is capable of doing.  If you are buying this truck to impress the Jones’s, fine, but if you want a true work truck, you need to know those specs beyond a doubt.   Unless you just have money to burn, if you are trying to tow a 4,000 lb (fully loaded) aluminum two-horse trailer, then you could possibly get by with a 1500/F150 truck, rather than spending an extra $20,000 on a 3500/F-350, designed for hauling over 16,000 lbs.   The best way to find this out is to research the specific year model of the truck.

To give you an even clearer idea and to save you a little research, the following is a listing of the towing and payload specs of the latest model trucks (2013), as taken directly from their website.  Keep in mind that the specs given are for a basic truck, with the standard engines, and a regular cab.  Additional cab will either decrease the payload or require adjustments to the suspension, and upgrades to the engine (such as adding a high-output, or “HO,” diesel engine) would increase the tow capacity significantly.  I tried to find standard numbers for the purposes of this list, but you will have to check each rating personally.  Nonetheless, the numbers will give you a reference to help guide you.

Toyota Tundra

Chevy Silverado 1500
….F-150….

Dodge Ram 1500

Payload

1,885

1,940 3,120

1,493

Max Tow Capacity

10,400

8,900 9,800

9,150

Fifth-Wheel Tow

N/A

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Toyota Tundra

Chevy Silverado 2500 ….F-250….

Dodge Ram 2500

Payload

N/A

4,212 4,240

2,543

Max Tow Capacity

N/A

13,000 12,500

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Fifth-Wheel Tow

N/A

17,800* 16,800 13,400

 

Toyota Tundra

Chevy Silverado 3500 ….F-350….

Dodge Ram 3500

Payload

N/A

7,222* 4,390

5,099

Max Tow Capacity

N/A

17,300* 15,000

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Fifth-Wheel Tow

N/A

23,100* 23,200

13,950

* May require additional features that aren’t part of the standard model to increase to max capacity listed

If you wish to compare diesel engines, go to the site dieselhub.com.

I considered doing this post before the posts on specs, but it is too easy to be biased towards an engine rather than the necessary specs.  Thus I decided to hold off and reverse the order in the hopes I could help you make an unbiased choice.

So, you’ve settled on how much luxury you need, how much you plan to tow or load the truck with, and possibly figured out a range of specs you want to focus on.  The basic manufacturers of trucks designed for actual work are Toyota (Tundra), Chevrolet (Silverado series), Dodge (Ram series), and Ford (F series).  Each of these offers their trucks in gas engines and diesel engines, except the Tundra, which only comes in a gas engine at this time.  True work trucks, often labeled “HD” for Heavy-Duty,  are usually purchased due to their cheaper price tag and “get the job done” design.  The true workman of the trucks would have a diesel engine, however, this increases price by about $8,000 on average, so many buyers stick with gas if they don’t absolutely need the power.

The first thing you need to ask yourself is, “What EXACTLY do I need my truck to do?”  While anyone with money to burn can go out and spend $45,000 (or more) on a great, oversized, fancy work truck with a diesel engine that will pull or haul almost any typical farm or ranch load, I am assuming that if you are researching trucks, you are more likely trying to find just what you need and not desiring to spend any extra.  While deciding on the best engine doesn’t require quite the research as all the specs discussed previously, there are a few things you should be familiar with.

Gas engines have been around a while, and come with automatic and manual transmissions.  Gas engines have plenty of power for most standard jobs, and on average, we found gas engines could tow up to about 12,000 lbs pretty comfortably.  Gas is an easy fuel to come by, and these days it is much cheaper than diesel.  Gas engines are also much less expensive to repair and/or replace when that time comes–around 250,000 miles on average.  Furthermore, if you intend to use the truck for running errands around town, and only plan to tow on rare occasion, you would likely be better of with a gas engine.  Gas engines handle the shorter distances and frequent starts of the “around-town” truck better.

Diesel engines, on the other hand, provide some serious horse-power.  If you are looking to tow more than 12,000 lbs on a regular basis, you will want to consider a diesel.  While diesels also come with automatic and manual transmissions, most frequent-haulers prefer manual as the transmissions are simpler, more reliable under heavy strain, and cheaper to repair.  As a whole, diesel engines run more efficiently and more reliably than gas, which is why they are so popular with commercial haulers.  Diesels, as a general rule, are not expected to require extensive repair or replacement until they have around 500,000 miles (or much more) behind them, giving them the nickname “million mile engines.”  The downside is that when that repair/replace time does arrive, it is going to cost you seriously–about twice as much as for a gas engine.  These days, diesel is also quite a bit more expensive than gas in most states, which may cause your monthly upkeep expenditure on the truck to increase significantly.  In addition, a diesel engine is designed to run hot.  In other words, you do not want to use it to run errands around town if you can help it.  It is designed to pull, to work under heavy stress and strain, to drive long distances, and to run for long periods of time.  If you need to drive out to your hay field just to toss some bales into the bed, with a gas engine, it would be more efficient to turn the engine off while you load.  With a diesel, though, you would want to leave it running while you load those bales, and allow the engine to get hot as it sits.

Of course, you’ve probably figured out by now that the choice isn’t as cut and dry as “gas or diesel?”.  There are other considerations involved before you decide.  We found that, as a whole, gas engines were generally less risky when purchasing used vehicles.  For the most part, gas engines have been around forever, and only little changes and improvements have occurred throughout the years.  This fact has kept the engines pretty consistent.  Replacement parts and mechanics are more widely available and more affordable.  If you happen to be a Toyota fan, the gas-powered Tundra is your truck, with a newly introduced max. towing capacity of 10,400 lbs.

On the other hand, diesel engines have changed significantly over the years, different manufacturers have developed different parts that are then assembled by other manufacturers, and much of the diesel industry has been unionized, which has caused it’s own issues.  As you get into the research, it becomes clear that diesel engines vary with the year they were made, and the company that made them or their parts at the time.  We didn’t do much research prior to about 1997, but the following is a summary of what we found regarding the diesel engine after that time.  Please understand that these statements are generalizations based on our research of auto websites, and discussions with manufacturers, dealers, and owners.  There are exceptions in every case.

The first diesel issue we found was with Ford.  Mind you, my family has had a multi-generational boycott of Ford for several reasons, but seeing as how we found them to be more affordable and easier to come by, we were giving them as much consideration as any other brand.  Essentially, from about 1997-2003.5, Ford made an incredible 7.3L diesel engine that buyers absolutely loved.  It was considered THE engine to have, it was durable, reliable, long-lasting, and had minimal issues.  In 2003, however, new emissions standards caused a re-design of the engine.  At the same time, there was a labor dispute with the engine manufacturer that resulted in a bit of unplanned-for “tweaking” by the cylinder makers to the new 6.0L diesel that was introduced that year.  This resulted in an engine that had quite a few problems with the cylinders, and quickly resulted in an unpopular, and quite undeserved, reputation for Ford.  Once Ford discovered the source of the problem around 2006 (when the increasing miles caused the cylinders to fail), they quickly fixed it.  However, it still took several years to correct the majority of the bad engines out there (and some still aren’t fixed).  The stressors of the engine problems also caused many transmission issues around the same time.  That same year, an improved engine was introduced, which hasn’t had nearly the troubles.  Nonetheless, despite the steps Ford took to extend warranties and correct the bad engines, their reputation took a bit of a hit.  Since 2006, however, their engines have made a come-back, and their reputation for quality and reliability are improving.  Every mechanic and dealer we spoke with, though, agreed that the best Ford engine ever made was the 7.3L diesel.

Chevrolet hasn’t been without it’s problems either.  In 2001, Chevy introduced the 6.6L Duramax engine, but it quickly revealed an injector problem.  As a result, Chevy warrantied those engines to 200,000 miles for the injectors, and by 2004, had fixed the problem internally.  If you find a Duramax from 2001-2004, make sure the injectors have already been replaced, or you may be risking a costly repair.  We encountered a number of die-hard Chevy fans who wouldn’t own anything else.  The Chevy mechanics and dealers we spoke with also seemed to conclusively agree that the Duramax was an excellent diesel engine.

Dodge engines, overall, seemed to be a really good engine, whatever year they were made.  The year 2003.5-2004.5 was considered a great year, though, with an engine that could provide 325 horse-power and tow a significant amount. A big advantage of the Cummins diesel engine is that it doesn’t have glow plugs, like other diesel engines.  It has a grid heater that apparently is more reliable and less costly to replace.  In a cold climate (less than 20*), glow plugs seem to work more effectively, so a block heater would be a necessity for a Cummins.  Otherwise, though, most experts we talked with agreed that Dodges were just generally good, reliable, durable engines, that held up well under stress.  The downside of the Dodge, according to all the data we read, was that their tow capacities couldn’t touch the Chevy’s and Ford’s maximums–especially in the goose-neck department.  So, if you prefer a diesel, but only need to haul up to about 14,000 lbs, you’d possibly be very happy with a basic model Dodge 3500.  If you need to haul more weight than that, you may want to consider another truck, though.

As a quick note, whether you use gas or diesel, both use the same transmission.  The transmissions can have just as many issues as the engines, and often need repair/replacing around 200,000-300,000 miles, regardless of the engine it’s paired with.  It’s something to consider any time.  A transmission is heavily stressed under towing conditions, though, so if you are buying a used vehicle, the less towing it has done, the better chance it will last for more miles after you buy.

A great precaution we discovered when buying a used vehicle–especially one with higher miles–was to utilize the manufacturer’s internal database.  When you find a used vehicle you are interested in, you can take the VIN into the parts/service department of your local dealer for that make of truck and ask for a vehicle service history.  In about 60 seconds, they can print off a list of all recalls for that vehicle, and all services that were provided by manufacturer-authorized service stations.  It is possible that something was fixed that was not warrantied or by an independent mechanic, in which case, it wouldn’t be recorded.  However, most of the recall-related issues on the list would be covered under warranty, and therefore would likely be reported by a mechanic that did the repair, in order to get paid by the manufacturer.  That list was extremely handy for us, and was what eventually helped us find our truck in the end.

In Part 2, I covered most of the major weights and ratings you should be familiar with.  So where exactly do you find all these numbers?

Unfortunately, this is not always easy either, and may even require a bit of legwork.  If you are buying new, a dealer will happily tell you, “Oh, don’t worry, this truck can haul whatever you ask it to!”  After what we’ve learned through our experience, though, I would never settle for that.  For three reasons:  First, the safety issue I discussed previously.  I love my family too much, our animals are our livelihood, and I wouldn’t want to risk an accident causing harm to either.  Second, sure, the truck may pull any load you put on and ask it to, but that doesn’t mean your engine or transmission will hold out if you do it often.  Finally, if you happen to cross an inspection/weigh station that requires even personal trucks/trailer to be weighed, you could be risking a hefty fine if you are overloaded!

My first suggestion to find these weights is to look on the driver’s side door.  Usually, especially on more recent year models, there is a little white sticker affixed to the side of the door with several of the specs listed.  If so, you can easily get your most important specs from that.  You may also see specs like your axle weight ratings.  While these could be useful if you can’t find any others, I haven’t discussed them because we never really used them.  The other ratings give you as much info, if not more, in MOST cases.  If the label specs are limited, the vehicle’s owners’s manual may have the rest of the information you need.  Unfortunately, manuals are sometimes written somewhat generically, and may not be 100% reliable like the sticker on the door.

Our truck label offers the GVWR, the axle ratings, and the VIN (which I have blacked out here).

Our truck label offers the GVWR, the axle ratings, and the VIN (which I have blacked out here).

If you happen to be looking at older trucks, you may not have such easy access to the specs.  There are still several ways, though.  First, you can get the truck’s VIN number, go to the website “www.decodethis.com”, type in the VIN, click the “Equipment” tab, and read the specs there.  In MOST cases, we found this data to be quite accurate.  On occasion, however, it seemed the decoder was looking more at the “standard” for that vehicle model rather than the individually identifying numbers at the end of the VIN.  In these few cases, we had to search further.  Next, you can call the manufacturer directly.  Just google “Ford,” “Chevrolet,” “Toyota,” or “Dodge,” hunt down the customer service number, call and tell them you want the specs for an older model truck with VIN # (whatever).  It is likely that the person answering the phone will be clueless as to what those numbers actually mean (although we had several try very hard to explain them), but as long as they are reading the data direct from a manual or computer screen, the info should be fairly accurate.  Finally, you can also google the vehicle year, make, and model you are looking at, and read the reviews on it.  Chances are someone out there knows and has written about it.  You can find confirmation of their reviews on websites such as Kelley Blue Book, Edmunds, or NADA.  I would NOT trust any one of these sources exclusively, but if you use several or all of them, you can get a pretty reliable idea what your specs are.

Be aware that while MOST sources give the fifth-wheel and max tow capacity as two different numbers, some sources will give the max tow as the fifth-wheel capacity.  GENERALLY speaking, the max tow capacity will be about 2,500 lbs more than the min. tow capacity, while the fifth-wheel capacity will be roughly 3500-5500 lbs. more than the min. tow capacity.  That is a very broad statement, so you really need all your numbers to figure out the difference, but we found it to be a decent guideline for pre-liminary investigating on used trucks.

If your trailer is right on the borderline of what you are finding, and you really want exact numbers, you always have the option of actually weighing the truck.  This costs a bit (perhaps $50-$100), and you need to plan ahead a bit.  You’d want the truck with any attached equipment (including brush guards, winches, extra hitches, or other equipment), the truck and bed cleaned out, a full fuel tank, and one person–the driver–whose weight is known.  Go weigh the truck and subtract the weight of the person.  That would give you your curb weight.

I mentioned earlier that you could be heavily fined for being overloaded.  The GCWR is a strictly enforced rating.  That’s why commercial semi’s have to stop and be weighed.  I had the “privilege” of once riding with a semi-driving friend who was hauling sod.  It rained during our trip, and his sod wasn’t covered, so it absorbed the rain like a sponge.  At the next weigh station, he was pulled over, ticketed, and had to make other arrangements for part of his load because it was considered too heavy to haul.  Just because you are a private driver does not exempt you from these laws.  Your truck and trailer, fully loaded for your trip, should never exceed that GCWR.   If you are concerned about overloading, you can also go weigh if you already know your GCWR.  As long as your total loaded weight is less than the GCWR, you will be fine.

This last paragraph may seem a little useless, but we considered one truck that showed promise until we better understood the importance of this GCWR concept.  We found a great truck that had originally left the manufacturer as an F-250, with all the ratings of a 250.  It became a fleet truck of some type, and as a result was converted.  The body of the truck remained a 250, but a dually axle was put on, the rest of the suspension, engine, and transmission upgraded, and the standard truck bed was replaced with a flat bed.  By all accounts, it would have been an incredible and powerful truck for towing.  There was only one problem.  Because the upgrades were done after leaving the manufacturer, there were no recorded specs on the truck.  The VIN number itself no longer even existed in Ford’s system.  It was being sold by an authorized dealer as a pre-owned truck complete with dealer warranties.  However, without specs and hard data, legally, we would have been limited to all specs originally assigned to the F-250.  Should we cross through an inspection station towing weight more appropriate for a 350, we could have been severely fined.

Be very careful.  These last 2 posts include some of the most critical data we found, and if you want your truck to run as efficiently as possible, for as long as possible, then you will want to know this information, stay within those limits, and select the truck based on what you need it to do.  At the same time, though, don’t fall for the dealer’s trick of talking you into the “latest” model truck that can haul a fifth-wheel trailer around 18,000 lbs. (GCWR of about 27,500 lbs.).  In fact, that big of a capability would likely be a waste of money, as most states require that your total GCWR be less than 27,000 lbs. or you will require a Commercial Driver’s license (CDL).  Therefore, it also pays to be familiar with your state’s law–something that can pretty easily be found with a google search.

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